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Thanks for the reply. Some comments:
1) Well I kept getting talents that required 2-3 points, but the requirements were way beyond what I had available. Or I didn't understand what the requirement was and thus how to get to them. And the reason I had issue with the dismissal system is that I dismissed the same talent 3 times in a row, and then finally it gave me a new talent. Really bad luck I know, but still. It shouldn't consume a dismissal action, if you get the same talent back. 

2) Ahhh, well, I didn't go into the forest or the cave. That would explain that. But, why did I get talents for those activities when I didn't go into them?

3) Nope. Couldn't see my social level. Or wasn't looking in the right space. Was running standard maximized screen, on my 1920x1080 monitor. I could read the text of other things. 

4) Good to know.

5) Ahh but therein is the issue. I didn't know where Guardian Spirit was, and thus could hover over it. I just say the name mentioned in other tooltips and was confused on why I didn't have Guardian Spirit somewhere I could look at it. 

If you only get xp for the thing you focus on, what is the xp you get at the end of a raid? Is that for character xp?

6) Most of the little tutorials pop up, when I'm trying to understand something else, and then click out of them. Then realize that was dumb, but as I was already struggling to learn something else, I didn't want to overload my brain... because once its overloaded, I often ragequit. But then there was no way to get the tooltip back, so a lot of my struggle is because of that. My main issue otherwise, was finding things to hover over to provide a tooltip. 

7) No, my concern was there a penalty if you let your character die. 

8) I'm fine for it being lighter on the power scaling, as long as it helps you to bypass the early game faster each time you take a metaprogression. The issue is I didn't feel my options really helped in that regard. 800 gold felt like a pittance and the others for +10% xp didn't seem to get me past the early game that much faster. 

How do deeds in prior lives affect future ones, when there isn't a time loop? I'm confused. I did try out a different starter life as the librarian, but from my 30 minutes playing them before getting bored, didn't seem like any of the things I did made any difference. 

Not sure what you mean by legacy shop. I also only found one heirloom, a ring buried in my farm, and only because I got a talent that gave 2 dreams. 

It has potential to be good, and has elements I liked, but the elements I hated, overcome the current good in the game. Specifically:
1) Talents often are generated that you have no hope of ever getting, but you have 3 redos before you are stuck with talents that may not be useful to you. At one point, I had accumulated 14 talent points, but none of the available ones I had the requirements for or gave a benefit that didn't help my build. 

2) The talents list off requirements for them that sometimes isn't clear on how to meet them. Like Hunting or Mining. I don't know how to get them in the current demo. Clearly I'm missing paths or not buying RP related things. 

3) There is no listing of other "skills". Like Social. So its impossible to know what my skill is until the talent or such allows me to take it. 

4) I don't like that you often have to exit out of a dungeon raid midway to visit a new location. So you waste "days" doing so. As you can't choose a new raid, once at the score screen. 

5) Its not always clear what my actions are levelling up. Like I use my click power as farmer. Is it giving XP towards intelligence or wisdom? Or is it just giving it to a skill? Or is it doing nothing. 

6) There is labels in the UI with no explanation. Like what the heck is Guardian Spirit, as the farmer? In the jobs you have 0/12 energy, and then jobs take energy. But they don't tell you how much energy, so you have to guess. And how to get more energy? I see I can lose max energy by being older. 

7) The game doesn't do a good job and states if you auto-retire on death or you have to retire before death to retain your prestige points. And its not safe to assume as some games like Progress Knight do auto-retire, and other games causes you to lose everything if you die that run or suffer huge penalties. 

8) Finally, the biggest negative is the prestige system. I thought I was going to get a lot of unlocks by having 126 points accumulated. I could only afford 2 prestige unlocks, one at 40 and one at 80. These didn't really make the next playthrough feel faster, and so I lost interest and uninstalled it. 

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Now it could simply be that I'm not your target audience and they might be fine with the above stuff. But for me looking for a neat indie idler + active gameplay loop, it didn't click for me for the above issues. If I'm not the target audience that is fine; hope you find your audience. But if those are things you are willing to address/change, then the game might be for me. 

Well from my limited time with Arcanum, you'd buy things, and unlock new skills or actions. Or higher maximum ranks in skills or actions. Similar things do happen here... where completing one action, unlocks several others or enhances existing options. 

Only thing I can think of is that once you have the fairy wings it prompts you to make a potion. In previous builds this caused the "button" to become massive for each of the potions. It might be causing some kind of issue on certain PC setups.

Since it is a Godot game, check out what dependencies the engine requires to run on a system. Its possible you somehow haven't gotten a dependency from playing other games on other platforms (ie Steam, GOG, Origin, etc)

You might be able to play it natively through the Itch.io desktop app. You can play some browser only games as an offline game, by using the desktop app.

Is this new demon attacker, one that appears after the 5000 mark, or is it a new demo(n) replacing the old one in the swamp (requiring 800 power)?

More likely Terraformental was inspired by it.

First release was November 2024. Terroformental was December 2024. 

I normally like short incrementals, but this one rubs me the wrong way in a few areas:

1) You cannot manually fire, and thus line up your shot and then fire. 

2) You are draining energy even when no enemies are present.

3) You can only grab resources while you have energy and thus risk missing a target, to try to grab it.

4) Early game is too slow and its too hard to earn progression as everything costs too much. 

5) The early weapon doesn't feel that effective. And so upgrades to it, don't feel that meaningful. 

Tried out the demo. Few specific issues:

1) Took 30 seconds for the game to launch. I had thought it had frozen for a good while and was about to check Task Manager, when it suddenly opened.

2) The interface started out in... German, I think. Took a few minutes to find a button that would allow me to change to English. After doing so, some parts of the UI are still in German. 

3) Told, on the first screen, I have "click power". Click on what though? Nothing I clicked on generated any energy. 

4) Earning energy, not sure what to do with it. Hit some upgrades, doesn't do much, but does consume a lot of energy. 

5) Have no idea what I'm doing. The interface isn't exactly clear on what I'm attempting to achieve. Or what my action clicks are doing to the gameplay. UI feedback and general navigation is poor. 

6) Earned a skill point. Looked at skill tree. Read several skills thoroughly. Still have no idea what they do. 

7) Fiddled around for about 5 minutes, and gave up. 

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Hope some of this is useful to you. Appears its a bit too complex an idle for me, so not likely my cup of tea. Which is fine; just means I'm not your target audience. 

Ok. Thanks for the heads up!

So, I occasionally play Idles, and like space-themed ones, but how does it actually play like, other released titles. Without a demo, or even a video trailer, I have no idea if its for me. 

Having completed latest build some ideas/notes (as usual, do what you want with them, or nothing at all):

1) If we go necromancy path, we have an extra mutagen potion available for the cat. But, if we go ecomancy path, we have an extra purified potion that isn't used up. Maybe we consume it ourselves... or we can use it on the tamed dire wolf?

2) We have quite the large amount of herbs, vials, and spring water left, after doing all the actions. Maybe we can use it to offer Alchemy Training for gold. Like when we first learned Alchemy ourselves. 

3) We have 5 remaining carrots after feeding the rest to rabbits. Maybe with ecomancy, we can create carrot warriors? 

4) If we go the goblin route, we have excess mithril that doesn't get used. Maybe we use it for wolf/lizard rider barding (animal armor), or we give it to our goblin brutes... or we craft mithril weapons for our most powerful undead minions. 

5) We have 5 traps left after using them on rabbits. Perhaps we can use them to capture fairies, and then have 5 fairy wings to use up. Maybe we bait them with Mana Crystals... as if we went evil route, we'd have nothing that uses up the Crystals we mine. 

6) We have excess leather and dire wolf fur. Maybe we create Soft Leather armor from it, based on existing leather armor but all the new stuff. 

7) Could go with another Round of the Arena. Round 5 we fight a dragon. Or possibly a necromancer that raised the Demon Assassin from the grave. 

8) We accumulate a lot of gold over time. Perhaps we can find a black market dealer that sells us expensive items. These might not say increase power directly, but could lead to quest locations that could increase power or suchforth. 

9) Another option is you can invest gold into the respective villages for large xp boosts to various stats. ie Investing in Goblins gives you Farming or Animal Handling. Elves gives you Precision or Movement.

10) Perhaps reading all three racial books (ie 10 Phrases... Sound as... How to...), unlocks a 4th book that talks about the history behind why each race hates eachother, for +100 reading. 

11) Having the option to murder the sage after we help them. For a much lower power/time cost needed, to kill them. So that we can still get their corpse, if we decide to be a necromancer but don't reliably have a way to get to 2000 power. And if we do kill them, after helping them, we can help ourselves to the roast chicken, wine, and lemon shaved ice. 

12) If we learn Ecomancy Magic, we can summon up the vines on the door, to hold down the guardians, reducing the combat power cost (and time to kill) by 50% and then we don't need to clean off the doors either. 

13) If we go Elves route, we can tame various creatures, which require a high animal handling skill. 

14) If we fully help out the Vegetable Vendor, we get a questline to find Beryn. 

15) When we learn a new type of magic, we unlock a book in the library to read that teaches more on the topic. Possibly cost gold to acquire. 

16) After helping the Sage, they provide us with additional quests, based on what skills we possess. For example, when we learn a magic type, they send us on a quest that raises that magic skill. They also could pay handsomely for a purified mutagen potion. They could also sell us rare magical items, similar in thought to the Black Market dealer, above. Some of them might allow us to circumvent things with a shortcut. ie An enchanted item called the Skeleton Key, lets us get past the Stone Guardians and open the Dwarven Door without doing any of the normal stuff to get it open. 

17) Have the option to forge an Elven Greatsword. Takes an Iron Sword and Moon Sword, plus some more mithril, to create the weapon. 

18) Have the option to create a Dire Wolf Cape, from the Elves. Grants a large amount of Animal Handling XP. 

19) Could use Spring Water, Herbs, and Holy Magic, to create Holy Water. If you dip a weapon or armor into it, it Sanctifies the item, greatly enhancing it. And makes it so that you need 5-10% less power to defeat the next "Demon Assassin" type of foe. As Holy Weapons are especially effective against Demons. 

20) Get a quest to return to the first tavern. You are told by the King's health inspector that someone is selling Rat Meat, as Beef, and you are sent to find out who. 

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Anywho, wait for the next release. Happy devving. 

That is fair. I wasn't sure though, hence why I clarified. See you at Steam launch!

For the Steam release it says that there is 4 stations to visit (plus 2 more references). Are the four including Talos, or will there be a new station to visit in the Early Access release?

Some ideas for things "not" in the game as of yet:

1) Random events = After completing any activity with "more" than 3 actions (ie explore forest wouldn't count, but kill goblins would), there is a chance to spawn a random event. This would allow you to earn extra/more XP for some skill and some power, possibly bypassing other things. It would also make some playthroughs feel more unique. 

2) Shortcuts = Perhaps after doing certain activity enough times, you can now skip it for future runs. So, say you do the defeat Forest Guardian enough times, you can now skip it, and go straight to exploring the forest. Or maybe after exploring the city enough times, you know it by heart now, or where the books are in the library. Skipping would mean you do get the xp, just not have to spend the time doing the actions. 

3) Random challenges = Each run generates with a few challenges. Some might be to reach a certain skill level, or maybe complete a questline, or say do a certain kind of action enough times (so say you need to do 30 actions that grant precision xp). Completing a challenge grants you some permanent xp to ALL your skills. 

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Anywho, check back in it later. As usual. Happy devving. 

Some other ideas:

-> Using money we earn to build our own stronghold. Each portion of it could heavily train skills, giving us a mid-late game way to heavily build up skills in a run. 

-> Or allow us to do something like Raven Rock (ES: Morrowind) where we manage a town and make choices on how it develops. 

-> Give us a way to send something from a previous loop, into the next loop. So say you acquire the Purification Potion, but lack the time to purify the tree. So you send it into the next loop, so that you have it prepared and now all you have to do is defeat the Satyrs again. It would mean skipping a lot of skill development that would be used to normally gain that potion though. 

-> Allow us to choose a profession at new-loop start. This profession doubles XP gains for a particular pair of activities. So the Farmer, might get doubled Farming and doubled Precision skill gains. The Knight, might get doubled Combat and Crafting. The Merchant, might get doubled Speaking and Reading. Etc... This would help to provide a focus for our runs, by letting us specialize into specific tasks. Then at the next loop, you can choose the same profession, or a different one. 

-> Race exclusive secondary options. If you choose elves, you get special extra options for some activities. Maybe instead of needing to kill the Satyrs, the elves have a secret path that lets you sneak the purification potion to the tree and then it kills the Satyrs for you. Or maybe if you choose goblins, and you kill the fairy, their ingenuity lets you craft two of the potions, instead of one, but each is at 50% effectiveness. That kind of thing. 

-> Allow us to invest in things in one loop, that persists across other loops. Say we have the ability to buy a magical farm. Any actions taken at the farm, persists between loops. So any farming you do there, you get persistent xp each round... so say you did 14 rounds of creating carrots. Then every loop, you'd earn 14 rounds of carrots farming XP... or more, if you spent more time farming there. 

Haven't played it in a while, so played it now. Shaping up nicely, but some comments:

1) Perhaps remove the requirement to learn dwarven to open the big door. Also, if the door was broken, the gears to repair it would be accessed on the otherside, otherwise it wouldn't make for a good protective device, as then you could just bash the hinges and have it fall. Require learning dwarven or dragonkin at the library, for when you wish to pick a race. 

2) Allow dwarven runesmithing to work on improving existing items crafted; ie iron sword, moon sword, etc... to enhance them further... and give more opportunities to runesmith. 

3) Provide more sources of Iron and Mithril in the underground caves, with ways of utilizing them. 

4) Able to craft barding for our dire wolf, fire lizards, and salamander, perhaps? Or more activities interacting with them. Maybe you can only access certain areas if you have them trained, as an example. 

5) Have in the description the effects of each potion brewed with the fairy wings. Maybe also have other opportunities to find the wings too. 

6) Why do we need Ecomancy to have grow cabbages unlocked? I get to make cabbage warriors, but not the cabbages themselves. 

7) If farming is used to create twiglings and remove organic matter from that door, maybe farming should be used for harvesting / cutting down wood as well (instead of Precision). 

8) Each city has an inn that can be visited and you can sleep in it to raise Sleep skill. 

So tried out the latest downloadable version. Got a bazillion warnings to not download it or use it. I've downloaded other Godot titles, where its just the exe and the data archive, so maybe go with that. 

Plays fine until you try to explore a cave. You get the select screen, and I choose 7 rooms 1 levels. After that... the game then freezes, my graphics card max fan speeds, then my monitors went black, and I thought for a moment it was about to BSOD, when the game crashed completely instead. Then things calmed down. 

Also exploration felt much weirder. I didn't start in a town, I had no followers, and kept finding small xp with gold and xp spots. Though, it should say gold OR xp, as you can't choose both... for reasons. Also, text was a bit too large and didn't fit inside text boxes that well. 

Everything felt like a downgrade. Why did you go with this direction?

Tried it again, some notes:

-> Way too many enemy bullets. Unlike the listed games, who gives the ship a small hitbox, our ship is the entire hitbox, which makes it quite unmanageable at points. So the game is more akin to Raptor/Demonstar in terms of hitboxes, so maybe do the same for enemy counts and bullet counts.

-> Orb is useless.

-> Flame is pretty but also useless. Have to get way too close to use it and its too easy to crash into an enemy and kill yourself.

-> Flame and Vulcan shots overlap, so I'm not sure if Vulcan was working. 

-> Beam seems to be pretty useful.

-> If you move your mouse too far to the left or right, the game loses input control until you move it back. This can result in taking hits unintentionally or when the mouse returns, your ship then moves too fast and into an enemy and dies. 

Tried it briefly, some notes:

-> Extremely hard with no meta progression yet.

-> Nuke has a lot of trouble hitting targets and its blast radius rarely hurts anything. 

-> 2x Auto-Lock doesn't mean you get two targets or two beams.

-> Freeze wears off too fast.

-> Rockets do like almost no damage by Stage 1-3. Same with your basic attack.

-> No sound effects at all, and button on main UI doesn't add/remove sounds. 

If I do well in this game, will it unlock a code that makes Midnight Idle easier :P

Is the holy path activities started by turning in the Necronomicon?

Fair enough. Will just have to wait then :)

Thanks for the reply. Will give it another whirl, when the update drops. 

Wishlist usually is nearer the bottom, as people naturally gravitate to clicking the topmost button, which usually is Play/Continue. 

Also might want to shrink the size of the glowing sword guy, as it looks really pixelated and in serious need of Anti-Aliasing. 

Will the Next Fest demo tell the player that if they want to continue, to download the Itch version? I can understand not wanting the demo to go on too long, for a first impression, but it might be nice for those that enjoy the Next Fest demo, to know there is more content available.

Is that because there aren't any secrets, or the secrets are so secret, that most people won't get the reference?

Oooh, new update. Will try it out soon.

Okay, I'll give it another whirl in about a week then. Happy devving!

How goes devving?

That is why I only attempt bosses at level 4-5 party level, unless I have most gear slots filled with blues at least. Then I might attempt a boss fight. However, the deeper the floor, the harder the fight, so keep that in mind too.

Don't forget to update the URL too! 

It shows up as https :// milopanta . itch . io / kleroo (added in the spaces)

Just so you know, if you click "View All by Dweomer" the game is still called Kleroo in the cover art. Its also still called Kleroo, when you hit the Play button, though I'm sure that will get addressed with the next build. 

Noticed today the name change. 

I was wondering if goblin keep was a typo :P

I had three perks that said that it applied party wide, and my last character had +15% critical chance. Though can't confirm if that is applied, as you don't have critical chance listed on the character sheet. Nor for dodge chance. 

Each party perk I had once each. One was supposed to give greater defense. Another greater dexterity. And last one was like +15% damage party wide.

Fair enough. Good to know. 

Some further feedback:

1) Graveyard level 6 is too hard. I've lost 2 well geared squads to it, and only completed it once... and barely survived. You really do need a level 7+ party to do it, but you can't do graveyard at level 7+. 

2) Party perks are definitely not being applied. 

3) I'm not sure Dodge is being applied. Even with +20 stat, and I think dexterity is used for it, and its at 31, the character still regularly gets hit, and not actually seen them avoid damage entirely. 

4) I think defense isn't reducing damage completely, as I have one character that has like 40 defense, and regularly takes 1 damage hits. 

5) If you have too many loot items, you cannot select the middle two characters, to see if they need any upgrades. Usually a result of doing Gobbling keep at depth 5 or depth 6. 

6) Too many rings at Emberforge generate with low rolls, despite appearing to be rare or epic quality. Cost a fortune, but why would I spend it on their low rolls?

7) Noticed with the Emberforge, that each item is generated at a specific tier, with the worst items generated at far left, moderate items generated in middle, and best items generated at far right. Thus at late game, you have to reroll constantly to get epics in far right slot, to have any upgrades. 

Addendum to #4. Definitely don't think these buffs are being applied. Found a character with 2 dexterity, with a team buff, giving them and everyone else a minimum of 3 dexterity. 

Playing some more, trying out new stuff, noticed these:

Bugs?

1) Hovering over Steam Icon says "Game Options"

2) Clicking either increase or decrease music volume, changes the music track. 

3) The trait "I have +40% strength (min +5) but -15% defense" doesn't work. My character's strength is 5, so unless they rolled 0 strength, this isn't working. 

4) Not sure team buffs are being re-applied as they level up and gain more stats.